His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. or is it irrelevant ? I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. . I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . What is your thought on this. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). As a 8th house sun Virgo 8th Venus Leo I am sure this adds to my sexual nature. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. Lots of greetings from Serbia. Oh the powers of the 12th house. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. !! You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. They rip the rug from under you every other day. . In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. Its weird weird weird . I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. Reply. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. Who cares? Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 We communicated telepathically and still do. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. The south node lies there on the natal composite. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. I feel sad about that. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Of course, this can lead to overspending and a tendency to overvalue anything that is overindulgent and impractical, but the positive energy Jupiter brings will generally get you through it. Bright blessings to you. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. hello, nice article Dawn. Click on "Chart Type" >>. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. Composite, Davison Chart . Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. thanks Dawn! Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Im so confused by this mix! The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. 4 months passed since then. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. What do you think? As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. Could I ask Your opinion? The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. What to make of this? He didnt want to commit/marry. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. . To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Im a Pisces sun 7house. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. In the second house of values, beware . The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Is this why I am feeling this more? Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. That may mean leaving you behind. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. North Node conjuncts Desc. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Lilith in the 12th House. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. We fall, and find the world. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. Whitelotus. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Lilith in Synastry. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. . In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. RUN ? Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). He says what on thinking. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. Thank you for your reply Dawn . Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. how this would manifest? They represent different aspects of a relationship. Mercury in 12th House. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. 12th house issues are not always supportive. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. My sympathies. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. Im glad youre enjoying it. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. We all find our gods where we can and must. Its pretty rare. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. Thank You so much for Your answer! Haunting Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. Im trying to figure it out. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. The fourth house is . What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. hi dawn. VERY-VERY SORRY! We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Just not what I wanted to hear. You explain the ineffable. Well it is a living hell right now! Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. Regine. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Greetings. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? In the end it was his choice to end it. Youre a poet of poets. oh gosh do not i know this! Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. Thank You so much for Your answer! The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. thanks Dawn for your reply. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. It depends on your Venus ' condition. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Lilith square . But I do have one question? I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Me and my friend have composite sun conj. The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. but the rising is scorpio. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. great post- thank you! Sun conj. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? Please your opinion. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! And what does it mean our 12th. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. Gilly. We were happy plutonicay together. Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart: This . This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Mysterious things attract you. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. We feel that very beautiful in our life! The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . Thank you, Dawn.